Christine Talks “Why Frenemies Can Be Good for You—and What to Do When They Aren’t” for Goop


Twisted friendships can be great fodder for dark fiction, and in her thrilling debut novel, The Drifter, Christine Lennon masterfully delves into the complexities of a college trio’s fraught dynamics:

“Why hello there, Elizabeth, sophisticated woman in New York. It’s Caroline.” Betsy stood dumbstruck, holding the receiver as the voice registered in her ear. “I’m looking for my friend Betsy. Perhaps you remember her? One time, we wore fake grass skirts and bikinis to a luau-themed fraternity party in January. Of course, you would never do something like that, Elizabeth. If you see Betsy, tell her to give me a call. I’m coming to New York, or The City, as I’m sure you call it now. I’ll be there next Friday.”

The book got us thinking about the destructive friendships many of us maintain despite the anguish they can cause. So we asked Christine and her (non-frenemy) friend, Wendy Mogel, Ph.D., acclaimed child psychologist, therapist, and author (The Blessings of a Skinned Knee, The Blessings of a B Minus, and the forthcoming Voice Lessons) to talk about the phenomenon of the frenemy—and strategies for dealing when you find yourself mired in a relationship with one.

Christine Lennon & Wendy Mogel, Ph.D. Talk Frenemies here